say this, and then he did many times, where we heard that since administrative costs are lower with medicare we should, the government should run our health care and it's like then we should have -- if you can just lower administrative and there's no innovation from the private sector, if there's no, you know, economies of scale and the competition makes you leaner and faster and better, if none of that were true everything would be cheaper if the government ran it. >> does it make you uncomfortable, joe, romney clearly has moved to the center here? >> i don't see that. i do not see that. >> i'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by the wealthy. >> et cetera' always said that. he has always said that. that's what you hear. >> the problem is that -- >> but then he said -- >> that is allowed -- >> he's coming back with 5 trillion. when you come back you prepared for with john kerry in the debate. the thing that worked when we were talking about the president always talks about investment as if it's a really good thing in terms of the government but when you look at how you try to pick